Live debate | Minister Van Oosten about NCTV advice: ‘I had not read it’

Bikker: ‘Doessn’tge a Beauty prize’ it doessn’tge a Beauty Prize, Bikker Thinks. “But the minister Has Only Been there for a week”. She is Happy with van Oosten’s Reflection, but she still needs to get off her chest “That she has looked with discomfort at the expressions of the minister of finance.” Minister Heinen Said on Sunday on That Program, Among Other Things, That It is “Intense and Unnecessary” to “Politician Things That Have Nothing to Do With Politics.”

That also makes ouwehand Ask Whether he had contact with his party members from the vvd last weekend, including Heinen. “The Question is Whether this is correct, or white it is his line of defense.” In Any Case, Ouwehand is Less Convinced of That Than Bikker.

‘I had an hour for a hundred pages’ from east explains why he was so cautious on Tuesday about mentioning where the violence came from. Counterterterrorism coordinator NCTV had advised to explicitly MENTION the Extreme Right. Yet the minister Did Not. “I was too rigid,” Says van Oosten.

Dassen (volt) finds that insufficient. The Wants To Know Who advised the minister to ignore the NCTV Advice. Van Oosten’s Answer is striking: “I Didn’t Read it,” He says. “I had an hour for a file of a hundred pages. I put the file aside in My Preparation for the Question Hour and had myself informed orally.”

Van Oosten Regrets His Earlier Rigidity by Baarle Once Again Points Out His First Words to the Minister of Justice. “The first necessity was that this minister had to set a standard, and he didn’t. And also knowingly not.” Van Oosten AGREES With the think leader. “I take it to heart. Frankly, I regret it,” he says. “I also wanted to rectify and clarify that.”

Earlier, Van Oosten, Already Indicated that he “Very well understands that eSpecany I as a minister have to set the Standard and have to mention that is no place for anti-Semitism, and if there is right-wing extremism, then mention it.” Van Oosten also repeated the words he used on Tuesday equal: that his first reaction was, accordance to him, too rigid.

Minister of Justice Compliment Police Action The Debate HAS Started Again. Outgoing Foort van Oosten (Justice and Security) Begins His Contribution and Will Answer the Questions from the House. He now Emphasizes, in contrast to Tuesday.

Van Oosten Expresses his appreciation for the pamphlet from the house, in which the violence is jointly condemned by a number of parties. The Police also Receive Compliment for Making the demonstration, which was it originally, Possible.

Cabinet was circumventing it accordance to jetten: ‘This was far-right violence’ d66 leader Rob Jetten is the last to speak. The Begins by Thanking Everyone WHO Expressed “Warm Support” in Recent Days. Among Other Things, The D66 Party Office had to suffer on Saturday.

Jetten calls the events of Saturday “Repulsive.” “You shouldnn’t beat around the bush: This was far-right violence, aimed at the police, aimed at journalists, aimed at institutions of our democracy.” And yet the cabinet circumvented it, he believes. “Why did the cabinet refuse to follow the advice of the nctv? Why didn’t you explicitly label this violence as far-right?” He Asks Responsible Minister Van Oosten.

Timmermans of GL-PvdA Says in His Contribution: “Whoever Stays Seated Normalizes What Should Never Be Considered Normal.”

Accordance to Bikker, The House Can Still Unite Against Far-Right Violence “Words Matter” is a Phrase that Cu Leader Mirjam Bikker also Takes to Heart Today. She points to Several Reports, including Those of the NCTV. “When some Publicly Calls for Tribunals, IT inevitly leads to People Placing Themselves Outside the Rule of Law.” FVD Member Pepijn van Houwelingen Called Out to D66 Member Sjoerd Sjoerdsma in 2021, “Your time will come, because there will be tribunals.”

Ouwehand Asks Bikker About Her Pamphlet that part of the house refused to sign. Does bikker withdraw it now that Wilders refused to moderate his tone this morning? “Don’t Participate in that Normalization, because it has consequences for national security,” Ouwehand Believes, who did not sign because FvD is also on the pamphlet in addition to the PVV.

Bikker Believes It is “Ultimately Powerful” That the House Expresses Itelf Jointly. “Then a debate can follow here on this spot about what those words are worth.” As Far As She is Concerned, The House Can Still Express Itelf Jointly, But The Parties That Did Not Participate This Morning Do Not Seem To Think Differently ABOUT THAT YET.

Yesilgöz Angry at Dijk’s Language: ‘This is really so bad’ SP Member Jimmy Dijk Takes the Floor and Assesses the Police Action of Minister Eelco Heinen (Finance, VVD) at WNL on Sunday . “We see Minister Heinen on Sunday at Wakker Nederland Trivializing and Tryping to Depoliticize the Fascist Violence.”

Heinen Said on Sunday at That Program, Among Other Things, That the Violence Must Be CondemNed, “But to immediately Make It Political is Intense and Unnecessary. You are going to political things that have nothing to do with politics.”

Dijk’s Words Cause Anger at Yesilgöz. “You cannot dismiss ministers here as if they look to normalize or nuance fascism. This is so bad that I am really look for words.” Dijk calls it “extremely bath” to “not call a spade a spade” in such a TV program.

Jetten: ‘You can draw a line yourself as leader of the VVD’ D66 Leader Jetten Tells Yesilgöz (VVD) That Normalization of Right-Wing Extremism, Not Polarization, is the problem. That is what the nctv writes. Accordance to jetten, it is also up to politics to speak out. “Not a word about all the hat that Wilders is spouting. Where is the role of the vvd in contradicting right-wing extremism in politics that stirs up hatred and division?” Wilders Has Already Stepped Out of the Coalition with the VVD, Jetten Tells Yesilgöz. “You don’t have to be afraid of him. You can draw a line yourself as leader of the vvd.”

Yesilgöz Answers that she does not share “the obsession with Wilders” with jetten. “I am busy with the police officers who have to keep us safe.” The VVD Member Says She Condemns All Violence. “Today it is about Right-Wing Extremism. But that also applies to the uva riots in which Millions of Euros Worth of Damage is caaed, with the maccabi riots and with the farmers who drove into a provincial house.” She Comes Up With Measures That Should Give the Police More Resources.

Jetten calls it “very weak” or yesilgöz that she does not want to set a standard, but only pleads for extra resources.

The Cabinet is represented by ministers Frank Rijkaart (Interior Affairs) and Foort van Oosten (Justice and Security). Van Baarle also had Asked for Prime Minister Dick Schoof in His Request for This Debate, but he is in New York for the un general assembly.

‘Connecting Tone’ or Yesilgöz Causes Irritation the “Connecting Tone” or VVD Leader Yesilgöz Causes Irritation with Ouwehand (PvdD). Because the VVD initially did not because to link the riots to far-right and did not want to make it political. “If you don’t stand up against far-right, but facilitation it, you put officers in Danger,” Says Ouwehand. By Facilitating, She Means The Cabinet Participation with the PVV. Dassen or Volt also wandering yesilgöz to do more to “set a standard.” That is also what counter terrorism coordinator NCTV advises.

Yesilgöz does not respond to it, althegh that does not come naturally. “I find that difficult,” She says. But the “you-too” arguments in the house only distract in Her Eyes. “But then it’s not about the safety of our officers.”

Think Leader of Baarle Finds Yesilgöz Hypocritical. Because accordance to him, the VVD was at the forefront of condemning the riots with the maccabi supporters. Then there was an “integration problem” or Dutch people with a non-western background.

VVD does not want to ‘Sling Mud’, But Measures VVD Member Dilan Yesilgöz Findes The Debate So far “Intense ShameFul.” Shey Wants Measures Insead of “Slinging Mud” And Imediately Announces Seven Measures That Accordance to the VVD Must Be Implemented.

For Example, The Party Wants Haste to Be Made With Adjustments to The Current Demonstration Law and The Ban On Face covering Clothing at Demonstrations.

The VVD also Wants Minimum sentences for this type of violence. Moreover, Accordance to the Party, Doxing, The Online Sharing of Personal Data With The Aim of Intimidating Someone, Must Be Made Punishable. Agents have to deal with this: also after the riots on Saturday, photos of agents were distributed accordance to police union npb.

Parties because reflection from Wilders, who does not give it a recurring pattern in the house: party leaders Timmermans (GL-PvdA), Jetten (D66), Bontenbal (CDA), Bikker (CU) and Dassen (Volt) Ask Whether PVV Leader Wilders Can Modage His Tone. Because Harsh Statements by Politicians can Contribute to the Radicalization of Especiate Young People. That can result in Right-Wing Extremist Violence, Warns counter terrorism coordinator NCTV. The Party Leaders Point This Out To Wilders When He Lashes Out At The Arrival of Asylum CENTERS OR When He Talks About “Fighting Back” In The Debate Last Week.

These debates have already leg hero countless times with Wilders, with the same outcome every time. Wilders contradicts that his words have anything to do with the violence of last weekend. The Wants Democratic Resistance and Therefore Quotes The First Sentence from His Election Program: “The PVV Comes Into Democratic Resistance.”

He is not planning to moderate his words. “I will continue to speak as I speak, Until the Problems are solved,” Says the PVV Member. He Dismisses the Warnings of the NCTV.

Jetten to Wilders: ‘You must take responsibility’ Jetten notes that the nctv says that “the words of politicians matter,” he says to Wilders. “Let’s look at those words for a moment. Mr. Wilders calls journalists scum, Judges politically biased and the house of representatives a fake parliament. Ministers are sworn in who proudly wore a prince’s flag.”

Former PVV Minister Reinette Klever (Foreign Trade) also Once Wore A Pin of the Prince’s Flag When She was Still A Member of Parliament. She later Said Herself that it had a Family Meaning for Her, Given the Role of Her Family in the Eighty Years’ War. But the Prince’s Flag is now mainly associated with a symbol of the nsb.

Accordance to Jetten, Wilders also calls for fighting. He refers to the general political consultations or last week. Wilders Then Said: “Do we Choose to Sink Further Into the Swamp With Liberal Multiculturalism, or do we finally fight back?”

Jetten Asks, Like Timmermans, for Attention to the Words That Wilders Has Used for Protests Against Asylum Centers. For Example, Wilders Said in Helmond That the Demonstrators There “Should Not Accept” The Decision of the Mayor. “You will have to take responsibility,” Jetten Believe. Wilders Points Out That He Naturally Condemns Violence. But Extremism, Accordance to Him, is best tackled “by not yelling at Mr. Wilders here in Turn and Showing Off your own Inability.”

Wilders: ‘Get Away with your NCTV’ CDA Leader Bontenbal Calls the Debate Style of PVV Leader Wilders Polariazing. “We want to depoliticize.” Bontenbal quotes a report from the NCTV, in which the counter terrorism coordinator Warns of Right-Wing Extremist Violence. “Most Incidents Seem to Be Largely Attributable to the Political and Social Utrar That Exists in the Netherlands About the Arrival and Reception of Asylum Seekers,” The Service Writes in A Report From Last June.

Bontenbal Wants To Know From Wilders Whether He Feels Responsible. That is asking the cda member for the familiar road. Because Wilders is not Known for Reflecting or Putting on the Sackcloth for Harsh Statements. “Get away with your nctv,” Says Wilders. “The People on the Street Have Nothing to Do With An NCTV.” Wilders’ Responsibility is to do something about immigration, he says. “The Netherlands is Fed Up.”

Wilders Lashes Out At D66 and GL-PvdA Wilders Takes The Floor As The Second and After Having Letterly Distanced Himself From The Riots, He Lashes Out At D66 and GL-PVDA. Accordance to him, they would because to “make a political profit” from the events. He mentions a number of incidents in which the parties were “dead silent” accordance to him, such as the pro-Palestinian demonstrations at universities, but that is not true. The parties did react to that then.

That also ensures that jetten and carpentermans rush to the interruption microphone to correct that. Wilders keeps repeating that they were not there, and starts a reasoning with: “Before Mr. Timmermans Starts Bleating Again.” Those words are reason for speaker of the house martin bosma to intervene.

D66, GL-PVDA and PvdD also Ask Bosma to Intervene “If Lies Are Being Told.” “The Chairman Must Help to Ensure That No Unsafe Things Are Done,” Says Ouwehand for Example, Hinting at the Fierce Tone and Words of Wilders Just Now.

Think Leader of Baarle Already Announces A Motion of No Confidence Against Outgoing Minister Foort van Oosten (Justice and Security).

Ouwehand: ‘Van der Plas Participates in the Incitement by Lying’ BBB Leader Van der Plas Speaks Out Against the Violence, But Says Immediatry Afterwards that She Understands The Concerns Of People About The Lack of Housing and the Number of Asylum.

Accordance to Ouwehand (PvdD), Van der Plas Should Especiate Look at Herself. Her party “song” to the farmers about the nitrogen problem. “No wonder they get angry.” Van der Plas is Outraged. “I am not going to participate in this anymore, but I am going to respond to this,” She says. “Someone Chooses to Pick Up A Stone and Set A Police Car on Fire. Those Are Individual Choices.”

Ouwehand quotes Auschwitz survivor Primo Levi: “It happened and it can happen again.” She Adds: “People can be incited and follow charlatans. Van der Plas Participates in the Incitement by Lying.”

Van der Plas Strongly Denies That She is also Responsible for the Violence. She Calls That Accusation “Dangerous.”

Minister Van Oosten is Questioned by the Press as He Walks Towards The Plenary Hall.

NSC and think Cannot Find Each Other in a Debate About Polariazation NSC Leader Eddy van Hijum Comes Forward to Ask from Baarle for Reflection. It is a Broader Question of “How We Deal with Each Other”, Van Hijum Believes, Who Asks The DEND LEADER TO REFLECT ON THAT HIMELF AS Well. For Example, when it comes to his statement to the Former NSC Minister of Foreign Affairs Caspar Veldkamp. But also in the debate that is conducted on that, the division in the house Once Again Becomes Clear.

Because What Follows is that of Baarle Points Out to from Hijum That It was the NSC that Went Into A Cabinet with the PVV and the Ministers That Think Criticized A Lot. “If there is one normalizer of far-right, then it is the faction of nsc!” Van Hijum repeats that all parties in the house must reflect, but accordance to from Baarle, NSC at Least Has No Right to Point to Polariazation.

Think Announces Motion of No Confidence Against Minister of Justice van Oosten Think Leader of Baarle May Speak First as the Applicant of the Debate. “After eighty years, fascists were walking openly through our streets again,” he’s in. “They chanted ‘sieg Heil’ and Did the Hitler Salute.”

Van Baarle Directs His Dissataffaction at Minister of Justice van Oosten. “He was not just prepared to call a Nazi, A Nazi,” Says van Baarle. The VVD Minister Initial Did Not Want to say this week from which corner the violence of Saturday on the Malieveld Came. Hey later came back on that. Counterterterrorism coordinator NCTV had advised to mention that it was about far-right violence.

Van Baarle Knows Enough Despite van Oosten’s turn. “Then you are unsuitable as Minister of Justice.” He already announces a motion of no confidence. The PVV of Wilders is also co-response to the think leader. “The Seeds are planted. Here in the house. By Wilders.”

Pamphlet Against Violence Not Signed by Left-Wing Parties Parties Do Not Agree on a Joint Statement To Condemn Far-Right Violence. Left-wing Parties do not because to be under the pamphlet of the ChristenUnie with right-wing parties Such as fvd and PVV.

“The Violence on the Malieveld is unacceptable,” The Pamphlet Reads. “We Strongly Condemn the Right-Wing Extremist Violence,” It says Further in the Text.

GroenLinks-PvdA, D66, SP, Party for the Animals and think call it unbelievable that fvd and PVV are also under the statement. Member of Parliament Jan Paternotte of D66 Believes That Way Conspiracy Theories of Gideon van Meijeren (FvD) That the Far-Left Antifa and the Police would have provoked the violence, are whitewashed. Earlier Statements by PVV Leader Geert Wilders About Not Accepting Democratic Decisions are also a reason not to sign.

GroenLinks-Pvda Joins the Words of Paternotte and Calls It Unbelievable. “After years of inciting and setting up Groups of people, it is not enough to condemn far-right political political violence. Then you have to stop spreading the ideas that lead to the violence.”

For PvdD, a Question of Confidence Hangs in the Air the News that the minister initially Did Not Follow the Advice of the NCTV Causes Annoyance Among Several Parties.

“Question of Confidence is on the table,” Said PvdD Leader Esther Ouwehand on X. Think leade Stephan van Baarle Finds It “Unsuitable and Unworthy of the Position of Minister” If You “Knowingly and Willingly Remain Silent Silent and Far-Right.”

Should a motion of no confidence follow, The Chance is still small that it will be a majority.

NCTV had advised to immediately label Riots as ‘Far-Right’ the initial Cautious Minister of Oosten had recedived advice from the NCTV not only to speak of “rioters, scum or hooligans, Without Mentioning the Underlying Right-Wing Extremist ideas.”

Otherwise, no “complete picture of reality” would be sketched and right-wing extremist ideas would be therefore not be problematized, “but even further normalized”, can be read in the advice published on Wednesday Evening.

The Hague Did not Expect Mass Riots with ‘Extreme Violence’ at Demonstration the Municipality of the Hague Did Not Expect That The Demonstration Against The Asylum Policy On The Malieveld on Saturday would result in Violence, Riots and Destruction. There Were “Soft Signals” or Malicious People, Mayor Jan van Zanen Writes to the Municipal Council on Wednesday.

Furious Reactions in Politics, But also Mutual Annoyance Politicians React with horror to the events in the Hague. Outgoing Prime Minister Dick Sheaf Called the Riots “Completely Unacceptable” and Similar Sounds also Came From Other Politicians. But D66 Leader Rob Jetten and GL-PVDA LEADER Frans Timmermans also Pointed Out That the According to Them Inciting Politics also plays a Role here, and then Especary Their Colleague Geert Wilders.

Accordance to Jetten, The Rioters Used Slogans of Wilders. “Then it is up to all democratic forces to say: we don’t accept this,” Said Jetten. Hey also spoke of “political violence”, partly because of the far-right expressions and nazi symbolism that could be so-during the demonstration.

Minister Eelco Heinen (Finance) Then Said That The Events Should Not Be Made Political as Far As He was Concerned. Responsible Minister Foort van Oosten (Justice) was also very Cautious at First, to the Annoyance of the Opposition Parties in the House. Later from eastern Back on His Words: he found himself “Too Rigid” and Did speak of “Far-Right Rioters”.

What happened in The Hague? On the Malieveld in the Hague, about 3,500 People Came Together on Saturday to Protest Against the Asylum Policy, An Initiative of the 26-Year-Old ‘Els Right’. But soon after the start of the demonstration, The Atmosphere Changes: A Group of About 1,500 People Occupies the A12, After which it also gets out of hand on the Malieveld itself. The Rioters Attack Police and Press, and then Move Into The City Center of the Hague to Cause Destruction to, Among Other Things, The Party Office of D66 and An Attempt is Made To Enter The Binnenhof.

Boxes of People Were arrested. As Far As is Known, Four Officers and Seven Journalists Were (Slightly) Injured, as well as a catering employee who mediated between a customer and a rioter.

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